AMS Buffer Fix For Failed To Pull Back Filament Error

AMS Buffer Fix For Failed To Pull Back Filament Error

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I update, revise and improve my design for my fixes very often. Please only use my Print Profile (Labelled as Designer or SPStudio) to ensure this fix is updated & work well. Profile with Non-Designer tags may be of poor functionality or non updated model.

Click on Like if this model helped you in some way. It is very important and will help increase the exposure of this design to more people who might need it. Cheers!

 

Announcement

New and Improved V2 Versions for the Ams Buffer Fix Before Buffer and After Buffer have just been released. Do check them out in my profile to see what are the improvement. Thank you for your continuous support.

 

 

Update 5 Dec 7pm SGT: A new print profile have been added. X1C Special Condition Only - Its intended for a very small group of people with problem finding a fitting screw for their X1Carbon when trying to attach this fix to the rear panel.

 

Please do not use this on your P1P P1S X1C if you can find the 2 fitting screws that are used for the installation of this fix. This print profile is NOT for you.

 

If you have an X1C and you have problem finding a screw that fit the screw hole on the fix nearest to the Ams buffer then please scroll all the way down this page to see the installation process for your machine.

 

Introduction

Failed to pull back filament error can be caused by multiple different variables & factors. This is a part of an series of Ams fixes that i have designed which can complement each other when used together. I do suggest you install all my fixes together for the 0ptimal effect to help your filament travel properly across the entire system which in turn can help improve, reduce or remove any potential Ams errors.

 

I have grouped all fixes into their respective Collection for ease of searching what to install.

 

V2 Collection are improvements done on the shortcoming of V1 Collection. Feel free to try V2 Collection and if it doesn't work properly then you can try the V1 Collection. You can easily find each of the Collection by clicking on the Collections tab on my profile.

 

Unfortunately there isn't a single fix that can 100% work for everyone. What works for others, may not work for you but my fixes is definately a great place to start and have worked for majority of the users. My fixes are precisely measured then modelled. A Proper Fix would have the highest chance to reduce or solve the error.

 

If you are too bored to read the entire lengthy write up explaining the need for this fix, here is the TL:DR.

 

What is this?
Ams Buffer Fix For Failed To Pull Back Filament Error will correct and maintain a nearly 100% straight line to move the filament into the Ams buffer thus reducing wear on the external Ptfe tube. Its design allow the most smooth, least amount of friction and pressure for the proper angle to go into the Ams buffer thus greatly reducing the possibility of an Failed To Retract Filament error or similar errors from popping up.

 

 

Who needs this fix?
I believe that anyone with a Ams would benefit from this fix / enhancement regardless of do you have any problem or errors with the Ams / Printer. This will allow your Ptfe tube to be nearly 100% straight (laser and manually measured) when it entered the Ams Buffer buffer. In theory, there are only advantages and benefits after installing. There are literally no disadvantage to this fix.

 

 

Have this fix been tested?

This fix have been tested for on 1 X1C, 1 P1P and 2 P1S for about 93100 retractions so far.

 

 

Why choose this fix instead of other similarly designed fix?

This is ez to print but yet its very precisely measured and designed.

 

This part shown in the photo below (distance from end of fix to the Ams Buffer) is carefully calculated only after several literations and tests prints. I have arrived to the mostly optimal gap to separate the fix and the Ams Buffer to allow the filament to pass through with a smooth movement with the least amount of friction. In fact this is one of the most important measurement in the fix.

 

 

 

Pre installation

Please make sure that the hole in which the Ptfe pass through does not have any filament blocking it that might happen in rare cases during printing, If it does use something like this screw bit or anything to remove the filament before proceeding to the step below. Please only remove the filament bit but do not widen the hole please. If your Ptfe Tube goes through smoothly then there is no need to do this step.

 

Installation Video

 

Important:

This would be the most ideal route for the Ptfe tube if your Ams is on t0p of the printer. Its basically a huge C. Please try to make the Ptfe route like this. The most ideal length of Ptfe is 62cm IF your Ams is on t0p of the printer with NO riser. 62cm will be able to give you this ideal route.

 

If you have a riser just adjust the route to be somewhat similar for the proper effect.

 

Important Notes:

Note 1: This will NOT be compatible for those with the multiple Ams units or if you are using the multiple Ams HUB and its made specifically to users that only have one Ams Single Buffer .
Note 2: Please follow the instructional video carefully its very important.
Note3: This fix is designed to still allow you to able to use pretty much any avaliable Ptfe tube removal tool so you can still remove your Ptfe tube if you want to replace it or for whatever reasons.
Note 4: Hydra or Non Modified Ams can all benefit from this fix.

 

The screw that you needed for this Fix should be in one of the package that came with the printer likely from the Filament Holder or Scrapper or just find something similar to this specification below.

 

 

Its important to get the right size screw as for this fix to work, there must be no gap from the fix to the rear panel

 

 

Update 5 Dec 7pm SGT: A new print profile have been added. X1C Special Condition Only - Its intended for a very small group of people with problem finding a fitting screw for their X1Carbon when trying to attach this fix to the rear panel.

 

Please do not use this on your P1P P1S X1C if you can find the 2 fitting screws that are used for the installation of this fix. This print profile is NOT for you.

 

If you have an X1C and you have problem finding a screw that fit the screw hole on the fix nearest to the Ams buffer then please scroll all the way down this page to see the installation process for your machine.

 

 

 

What Mod / Fixes / Enhancement do i offer?

Please don't download the wrong one. Only those in the photos below is designed by me who painstakingly took a lot of time to measure carefully and design just to get it working. #SupportOriginal Love you guys for all the support so far!

 

- Ams FIX Failed To Retract Filament Error (a preventive measure and solve the bay 2 and 3 error and prevent bay 1 and 4 to have any possibility of having an error due to tension and friction) (Updated design on the 2nd photo below, try 1 then if it doesn't works properly for you then install the other one.)

 

 

(BRAND NEW) Ams Filament Pull Back Fix V2 Upgraded - Completely New Design Upgrade For Ams Filament Pull Back ERROR! Precisely Measured

 

 

- Ams Buffer Fix For Failed To Pull Back Filament Error (reduce wear on the external Ptfe tube and allow the most smooth, least friction angle to go into the Ams buffer thus reducing the possibility of an error popping up)

 

 

- V2 Ams Buffer Fix For Failed To Pull Back Filament Error (reduce wear on the external Ptfe tube and allow the most smooth, least friction angle to go into the Ams buffer thus reducing the possibility of an error popping up)

 

 

- Ams Fix - Stack the Ams on tp (Using a carefully measured holder to hold the Ptfe in a curved angle that will allow filament to go through with the least possible amount of friction when the Ams is stacked on tp of the printer)

 

 

- Ams Buffer Ptfe Right Guide Mount Fix will correct and maintain a nearly 100% straight line when the Ptfe tube exit the Ams buffer to move into the printer extruder.

 

 

- V2 Ams Buffer Right Ptfe Guide Mount - The Fix For Failed To Pull Back Filament a newly improved fix designed to replaced the V1 This will correct and maintain a nearly 100% straight line when the Ptfe tube exit the Ams buffer to move into the printer extruder. ez Installation. No screws needed!

 

 

- Extruder Ams Filament Pull Back Fix will correct and maintain a nearly 100% straight line to move the filament in and out of the extruder. This will also reducing wear on the Ptfe tube. Its design allow the filament to travel in the most smooth, least amount of friction and pressure for the proper angle to go into and exit the extruder thus greatly reducing the possibility of an Failed To Retract Filament error or similar errors from popping up.

 

 

- V2 Extruder Ams Filament Pull Back Fix will correct and maintain a nearly 100% straight line to move the filament in and out of the extruder. This will also reducing wear on the Ptfe tube. Its design allow the filament to travel in the most smooth, least amount of friction and pressure for the proper angle to go into and exit the extruder thus greatly reducing the possibility of an Failed To Retract Filament error or similar errors from popping up.

 

 

- The Smooth 4 Way Splitter. Look No Further. Combined with Ams Hub Lite together with this small attachment, you will have the Smooth 4 Way Splitter.

 

 

Technical Write Up

Friction - The cause of most of the Ams filament failed to retract problem.


As shown in the following photo, the Ptfe tube that connects the Ams to the Ams buffer may and is often bent in an angle due to the printer placement like too close to the wall or foreign objects pushing against the Ptfe tube behind the printer or simply because of the height or placement of the Ams unit.

 

All of these creates bends or pressure on the shape of the Ptfe tube in turn creates a lot of friction, as the Printer and Ams is equipped with multiple sensors, these friction will cause filament not passing through the Ams to the printer smoothly and thus causing the Ams Failed To Retract Filament Error and similarly related errors.

 

This information is also mentioned in Bambu Wiki

 

 

So what is the possible solution to the problem?
Firstly we need to reduce friction for filament passing through Ptfe tubes? Simple! If we optimise the angle of the Ptfe it will allow the filament to enter and go through the Ams buffer with the least amount of friction and pressure.

 

 

So what i have created to solve the problem?
Firstly lets talk about the part where the Ams goes into the Ams Single Buffer buffer. I have ran multiple test on about 10 different test prints with different height to Ams buffer and distance away from the printer rear panel and if the Ptfe tube can be bend with the least amount of friction and pressure on the filament passing through. That is where i discovered and confirmed that ideally we will want the most straight angle to allow the filament feeding from the Ams into the buffer smoothly.


I measured with a laser measuring tool and verified manually to design a mount that will allow the Ptfe Tube to enter the Ams Single Buffer in a nearly 100% straight degree. This will help and allow the filament to go from the Ams to the Ams Single Buffer to the Printer smoothly and retract back with the least amount of pressure and friction. This fix can also solve wear issue on the Ptfe tube as less friction means less wear.

 

 

Read on only if you needed the X1C Special Condition Only

 

This is intended for a very small group of people with problem finding a fitting screw for their X1Carbon when trying to attach this fix to the rear panel.

 

You can also choose to install the V2 which requires no screw at all. https://makerworld.com/en/models/101046

 

Please do not use this if you are using P1P P1S X1C if you can find the 2 screws that are used for the installation of this fix. Using screws to attach the fix is still ideal. This Special condition is only for people who cant do that. This print profile is NOT for the rest of you.

 

If you have an X1C and you have problem finding a screw that fit the screw hole on the fix nearest to the Ams buffer then please read on to see the installation process for your machine.

 

Before installation please make sure that the hole in which the Ptfe pass through does not have any filament blocking it that might happen in rare cases during printing, If it does use something like this screw bit or anything to remove the filament before proceeding to the step below. Please only remove the filament bit but do not widen the hole please. If your Ptfe Tube goes through smoothly then there is no need to do this step.

This fix uses 5 pieces of 6X2mm and probably 6x3mm magnet can fit too. Due to different tolerance of machines the hole for the magnet can appear to be too tight or loose.

 

If the magnet is too tight then use a hammer to lightly knock in the magnet so its flat across the surface of the screw. Do not knock the magnet all the way in. Levelled with the surface works properly,

 

If the magnet is too loose simply add a SMALL dab of glue then fit in the magnet then wait AT LEAST 30 to 45min before installing to your printer to ensure the glue fumes does not damage your printer.

 

You do not need glue as long as the magnet is not loose enough to fall off. Do make sure all magnets are levelled with the surface of the fix.

 

Installation Video

After completing the installation of magnets you can follow the above guide for the same way to install this fix.

 

The screw on the Left In green words have to be tight. This is the only firm support on the fix so please make sure its tight but don't over tighten and destroy the threads.

 

The screw on the Right in yellow words are meant to be for alignment guide purpose. You will still need a screw in this hole. Just find the screw with the largest possible body that you can find, Below 9.87mm in length. Try not to use a screw that is too loose so at least the screw can help the fix stay in its position despite not being held by screw threads. The magnet behind the fix should hold it in place. Not the 0ptimal way but a solution still.

 

There will not be a version with cable holder because the magnet alone might not be able to hold the weight of the cable. It should only be sufficient to hold the Ptfe tube aligned.

 

 

Additional Notes

The error itself is complicated and non definitive. Whatever cause the error today might not be the same area that cause the error again, same with person A and Person B setup, as the error itself is mainly due to tension with friction triggering the sensors in the machine.

 

I would suggest you download and try and install all my fixes together for the proper effect as together they will ensure a smooth delivery of the filament with much lesser friction (read write ups) and hopefully that will help and reduce or resolve the error. If you use only one or 2 of the fixes the error could still happen as there are still other area might still be causing excessive friction.

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Does the screw that goes into a hole that didn't have a screw actually screw into anything in the machine? I tried the scraper screw and it just slides right in and doesn't hit any threads. I tried some of the larger screws that came out of the hold downs that I had to remove when the machine was new and those are too big and if there are threads in that hole, they are not a match. But I don't have a screw that actually screws into that inner hole.
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Hi there are screw threads on the back of the machine. If it doesnt hit anything means its too short. You need a slightly longer screw. You should need minimal force to screw in the screws. Will be able to feel if the thread is correct once you start to screw it in. As there could be a possibility of some printers that is missing a package of screw or something you can just look for any small screws that can fit in the hole. If you need the exact specification of the screw in the video its Body 2.85mm, Head 5.40mm. Length NOT longer Than 9.87mm
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Replying to @SPStudio :
I will check again but I seems like even a 10mm screw wouldn't touch anything.
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Replying to @Robertsonland :
Its highly unlikely. Most of the people installed fine. Make sure u follow the guide and use the right holes thank you.
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You make pretty good stuff, however, you come across as kinda a jerk within your comments and description. Saw a comment of you quoting copyright laws to someone that made something similar. But what got me was with your model descriptions. "Profile with Non-Designer tags will be of poor functionility or non updated revision". So its impossible for ANYONE to have better settings than you, and anyone that tries will fail and provide "poor functionality"? Just that statement alone goes against what this site is trying to do, with profile sharing and such. Not trying to start an argument, just sharing my thoughts.
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Hi i revise my fixes very often. I would like to give people the most updated fix as the fix continue to evolve as more testing and fine tuning is done. Most of the non designers print profiles in my fixes are from profile farmers, they don't care and they don't bother about the accuracy or revisions of the print. Thus my message is clear, as i improve the fix i want people to get the latest version.
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Like the Extruder fix i have revised it 2 times in the last 24 hours. So yes my profile should be the only one you should download. also about that copyright law bs drama haha... its actually really funny. You might have accidentally inverted the role. It wasn't me screaming about copyright laws, it was the other guy. (Not sure if that is the incident you mean) I am just here to provide the best that i can do to the community. Sorry if i offended some, it could happen, one of them just took one of my fix and cut both end away and launch it as original. The ends are designed for a reason. All in all, thanks for your comment. I appreciate it. So yes its possible for someone to have better setting than me, tho me as the designer should know 100% on the best setting but also that someone could very likely not have the most updated file than me of course. So... Please... Download my print profile for the latest and accurate updates. These are functional fixes and every single day i look at them and think what else can i do to make it even better, hopefully resolving the Failed to pull back filament error completely one day.
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Replying to @SPStudio :
Maybe I was wrong, hard to relay intent from text and I can admit that. Honestly I was expecting some hate response, and you were very respectful and simply defended your actions. For that, I will update my rating (but leaving the comment as you do kinda sound like a di*k, no offence lol). Thanks for the good work.
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Printed well using Bambu Lab PETG and the PETG print profile provide. On the P1S though, I can't seem to get an m3 screw to screw all the way in (if looking at the back of the printer, it is the right screw). The P1S doesn't have a screw in that hole to start with, so I am not sure if this is the problem, I was just able to get the m3 screw in far enough to hold. If OP is taking suggestions for v3 (I prefer to use OPs original designs, but it should be easy enough to to remix), it would be nice if you could add one or two cable clips for the power cable (similar to what is on the buffer hub. I wasn't having retraction issues with the AMS, but anything that can reduce friction along the path is worth doing in my opinion, thanks for making this part available.
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Hi thanks for the comment. The fix was actually modelled with a P1S i think i used The screw in 1 of the package that came with the box thankfully you found it. Happy for you. Regarding the mount for the wire i think its a pretty good idea. I will have that up within 24 hours. Thank you!
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Hi the cable clip version is now avaliable. You can find it with the print profile labelled PETG With AMS cable Holder or PLA With AMS cable holder. Thanks for waiting.
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Replying to @SPStudio :
Fantastic, thank you for doing that so quickly. I have a 5 hour print on right now, but once that is done I will print the new version and post pics.
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easy to install ty for you Tools.
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Thank you for the install photo. Please try and make this a C shape would be better.
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Like this
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Replying to @SPStudio :
Probably change it to a slightly longer PTFE tube cus you have a riser. A C shape would like much lesser friction.
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PETG - 25mm/s First Layer
Picture is not the same of the model
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Hi i have just downloaded and checked all my print profiles all is the correct model. I am 100% sure please recheck if you have downloaded the wrong page. Thank you for the support.
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Replying to @SPStudio :
Screenshot from my printing history. Check the name
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Replying to @nyx_nk :
Hi i have rechecked couldnt find any issue at all. Can i plz trouble u to redownload and see if it is fixed? Thank you.
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PLA With AMS Cable Holder - 50mm/s First Layer
printer running but as soon as done gonna finish up the install
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looks great. Do route like this thank you.
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Replying to @SPStudio :
I have riser on top so my install gonna be more involved, need to swap the ptfe with a longer one to compensate
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Replying to @Tack3D :
as long as its a big C it will be fine but dont use way too long ptfe. just enough for the C shape. Thank you.
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Did you have to jam your screw into the print? I have the correct screw dimensions, per your measurements, and i have to really force the screw into the pla piece i just printed. and the screw length seems to be really short, so i either haven't cranked it down enough (which is just me forcing it more into the pla), or the length is off
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Hi no. the screw should fit in rather smoothly. There is a good chance you are using the wrong screw size. Body 2.85, Head 5.40. Length 9.87. It does not have to be exact in length but a min of 9.87 is needed but not too long plz. I
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Replying to @SPStudio :
measurement in MM. it should be a rather easy place in
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I have made some improvement. Do try out the new fix by redownloading. You should have a way easier time with the screw head this time.
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PLA - 50mm/s First Layer
Edit: I posted wrong picture and comment. Sorry. Printed but not tested.
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Eh hi i didn't make this haha
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Replying to @SPStudio :
Fixed, sorry.
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Replying to @AstraCD :
No worries thank you for downloading. Haha
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PLA With AMS Cable Holder - 50mm/s First Layer
Works great! haven't had retraction issues since installing this and the other feeder upgrades from same designer.
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Thank you so much. Do check out my other AMS related fixes to help reduce this error even more.
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Replying to @SPStudio :
I have those installed as well :D Thanks for your contributions to this ecosystem of printers.
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Replying to @robotcrazy :
no worries i am happy to be in the community. Hope my stuff help you :)
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PLA With AMS Cable Holder - 50mm/s First Layer
Worked great. The cables clips are a bit to tight/sharp (?) when inserting the cable.
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No worries the cable is coated rubber. it will not cause any functional damage. Thanks for downloading.
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Replying to @SPStudio :
Yup, that's why i still gave it 5 stars. Just something to note
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Replying to @xsynaticc :
I am looking at it right now. Thank you for the great feedback. :)
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